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 02-22-2002, 19:14 Post: 35812
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David;
I would caution you against purchasing a Dmax engine yet. The track record of GM on diesels for pickup is not good. The 3 previous engines have not been stellar. None have been worth the extra money.
I would wait a few years to determine if the engine will build a good reputation. They spent extra time and effort on the engine and built a new plant. Izuzu and Deere had a hand in the new diesel.
Izuzu's track record with road diesels has not been stellar either. The small cabover Izuzu/GM has had problems. Deere has never produced an engine for a road vehicle.
Wait and see, buy a Ford or Dodge or repair the Chev.






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I agree I like the layout of the controls and the seats etc. in the GM/Chev better than the other two trucks with diesels. The wrapper is not the main concern with me when buying a diesel as it is ~ 1/2 the price of the truck.
If I am buying a diesel then I am buying a long term investment. The pay back on the extra expense for the diesel is more than 150,000. In other words you don't save a cent until you have more than ~ 150,000 miles on the truck.
If you are not thinking about resale or the high milage then you are better with the V10 or other large gas engine.
The Izuzu diesels in their pickups have not performed well. Most made 150.000 miles or more but this makes it a break even proposition with having to but up with less power etc. This makes it a poor return on investment, place the extra money in an ivestment over the life of the truck and you will be farther ahead. For me the average life of the engine and truck needs to be more than 300,000 miles to make the investment attractive.
The Izuzu/GM cabover has not held it resale value and most in the used papers have had the diesel engines worked on in less than 150,000 miles.
GM has pushed how much effort an extra time that they put into this engine. They also held it back about a year to work the bugs out of it. Did they get them all? With GM and Izuzu's track records I would not bet on it. I certainly was not willing to bet 30-40 K on it.
I am sorry if you think I don't know what I am talking about. I researched my purchase as a SAE member. I followed the GM development in the SAE. I talked with oweners and even Cummings engineers before I made my purchase.
I just helped a friend rebuild a 98 GM diesel in a 3500 crew cab. fully loaded. He picked up the truck with less than 150.000 on it for less than 5000. It cost us less than 1000 for parts, but he is a diesel mechanic and has a complete machine shop. It took a few months to complete. Not your average situation. Was it a good deal for him? Was it a good deal for the original owner?
I am not in the position to buy a new truck and as my diesel is only 2 years old hopefully will not be in that position for a long time. I would give it at least one more year so at least the hot shotters have a chance to put some hard high miles on them and check it out.






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